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LaMantequilla
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posted 10-09-2003 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaMantequilla   Click Here to Email LaMantequilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh.

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BionicGirl
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posted 10-09-2003 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BionicGirl   Click Here to Email BionicGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by adreamer:
The doctor did say that smoking could make me have a smaller baby.
Thank God I did smoke for I had big babies.

What about... the person who punks to stay thin?


Maybe I should pull out some of my old Sex Pistols albums. I could stand to loose a little more of my pregnancy flab. Or maybe I should have used a little foresight and smoked while I was pregnant since Flynn was such a big baby, then I might not be wrestling with those extra inches at all!

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LaMantequilla
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posted 10-09-2003 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaMantequilla   Click Here to Email LaMantequilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, why have I been wasting my time and money on Weight Watchers when I could have just been spiking up my hair and listening to the Dickies? Damn.

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BionicGirl
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posted 10-09-2003 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BionicGirl   Click Here to Email BionicGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's never too late to start a lifetime of healthy habits, now is it?

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LaMantequilla
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posted 10-09-2003 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaMantequilla   Click Here to Email LaMantequilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, Bionic Girl, it's never too late! And gee, count me in for "smoking during pregnancy"! Purposely stunting the growth of my unborn child sounds cool. Anyhow, I see the light now-- it's not the cigarettes that gave my relatives lung cancer, it's the evil chemicals "the government" gasses us with. Damn, "they" sure are evil.

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giamaria
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posted 10-09-2003 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for giamaria   Click Here to Email giamaria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh my. that's all I can say.

"theirselves"

curious.

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adreamer
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posted 10-09-2003 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adreamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LaMantequilla, How do you know that it isn't the evil chemicals that has been causing the cancer?
It doesn't take a person with a colege education to figure all of this out but yet some people seem to be a bit slower then others at catching on.
None of us know this for sure now do we?
Our government is hiding things from us everyday.What you don't know can't hurt anyone.it's not the cigarettes that gave my relatives lung cancer, it's....Ok wise up...
For those of you's who don't believe
If stunning the growth of a new born child is caused by smoking then why are so many woman who smoke still having big babies?
Do you Mothers know that by drinking alot of soda durning your pregancy can cause the baby to have withdraws.
So you mother's to be need to quit drinking those sodas until after you have the babies.

If your post was trying to be funny it wasn't at all.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LaMantequilla:
[B]No, Bionic Girl, it's never too late! And gee, count me in for "smoking during pregnancy"! Purposely stunting the growth of my unborn child sounds cool. Anyhow, I see the light now-- it's not the cigarettes that gave my relatives lung cancer, it's the LaMantequillaQUOTE]

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adreamer
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posted 10-09-2003 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adreamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I smoked when I was pregant and had healthy babies.
Maybe I am lucky.
My friend who didn't smoke had a child with all kinds of health problems.
They ask hed if she smoke and she said no nor do I get around smoke.
Why didn't the doctors of the 1900's know about smoking and it affects everyone claims it has on us?
Darn if they didn't smoke they may have live longer lives?
Heck they lived up to their 90's.
Now this is a full life to me.
Many people in the old days lived to be old.
But then we didn't have all of the sprays on our foods or the cans of hair sprays and all of the cleaning fluids we have today.
I wish I had lived back then because people never complained so much.
An ex smoker is one of the biggest complainers.I think if they smell it they will want it again so they grip so much about people smoking....
Forget all of you people who complain about the people who smoke.
You are no better then anyone else.
Clean out all of the skeltons in your closets before you judge others.
I am done now for the non smokers who complain are just covering up for something they are doing wrong with their own bodies.


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Originally posted by greschya:
[b]Choose or addicted: I choose

Leanne, no pregnant woman who is truly concerned for the health of their baby "chooses" to smoke. By saying you "choose," it discredits all of us who have accepted and conquered nicotine addiction. There's a reason there's a FIVE PAGE thread about quitting smoking over at body &soul.

It also shows blatant disrespect to those on the boards who would give their LIMBS to even conceive, just once! and get as far as you have.

There are people here who have planned and eliminated every hint of a drug from their body -- caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, allergy medicines, prescriptions that make EVERY DAY a more livable one -- in order to try to have one chance at having a baby. They have CHOSEN to eliminate those comforts in order to be as healthy as possible. To flaunt and celebrate your "independence" by proclaiming that you choose to smoke to relax is insulting and even hurtful.

As far "it's like cracking a beer after work . . " most women quit drinking before they try to conceive, and if it's a surprise, they immediately cease drinking, based on years of research that proves it is harmful to an unborn baby.

For a person who is so embracing of a "non-medicalized, natural pregnancy" I find it contradictory and hypocritical that you "choose to smoke."

You are not "choosing" to smoke. You are a nicotine addict. I've been one too, and it is not an easy life. It is HARD to quit.

Those who speak loudest, are usually trying to convince themselves, not others.

I hope that your pregnancy and child end up healthy and without harm caused by your "choice." I wish you no ill will, but I do hope that you will be more considerate of others on the boards who would give up ANYTHING, who have given up EVERYTHING, to be in your place -- including cigarettes.

I don't mean to be incendiary, but the reason there's only 15 replies beyond yours is that many of us are stunned silent. Do what you will, but don't defend your actions and claim to be anything but a nicotine addict.
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Merimoo
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posted 10-09-2003 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merimoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
um, yeah. Who are you, anyway? And why are you dragging that up again? It's been dead for a year, for good reason.

As for me, there's no way you can possibly convince me that breathing in black smog that's going to end up in my lungs and snot is a good thing.

[This message has been edited by Merimoo (edited 10-09-2003).]

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ralphyr
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posted 10-10-2003 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ralphyr   Click Here to Email ralphyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by adreamer:

An ex smoker is one of the biggest complainers.I think if they smell it they will want it again so they grip so much about people smoking....
Forget all of you people who complain about the people who smoke.
You are no better then anyone else.
Clean out all of the skeltons in your closets before you judge others.
I am done now for the non smokers who complain are just covering up for something they are doing wrong with their own bodies.

Adreamer, someone sure is pushing your buttons to be so hot under the collar about this.
I know for sure that all the nagging in the world won't work on addicts. Try to point this out to who ever (daughter-in-law?) is hastling you. Keep safe and don't drink too many sodas!

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BionicGirl
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posted 10-10-2003 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BionicGirl   Click Here to Email BionicGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by adreamer:
If your post was trying to be funny it wasn't at all.

It was funny to all the people who aren't suffering from paranoid delusions.

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crowjoy
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posted 10-10-2003 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crowjoy   Click Here to Email crowjoy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are paranoid delusions a disease?

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fluffygurl
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posted 10-10-2003 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fluffygurl   Click Here to Email fluffygurl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No but having too much of them will stunt yer babies growth n stuff

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emmalola
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posted 10-10-2003 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emmalola   Click Here to Email emmalola     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't know about you guys, but I am going to start holding my breath when I see those mysterious chem trails for now on. my eyes have been opened.

and now that I'm pregnant, is it too late to start smoking?

[This message has been edited by emmalola (edited 10-10-2003).]

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BionicGirl
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posted 10-10-2003 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BionicGirl   Click Here to Email BionicGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Better go for it lola, no one wants a big baby you know. Small ones are always better. In fact, you should smoke a whole lot and try for a preemie.

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emmalola
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posted 10-10-2003 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emmalola   Click Here to Email emmalola     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but wait! smoking makes babies bigger! right?

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BionicGirl
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posted 10-10-2003 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BionicGirl   Click Here to Email BionicGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh sh*t. You're right. Now I'm cornfused. It must be all the chemtrails messing with my head.

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fluffygurl
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posted 10-10-2003 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fluffygurl   Click Here to Email fluffygurl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you should have a nice 6 pack of beer to wash the cigarettes down with. Afterall theres nowt so healthy as beer and fags. My Mom told me so it must be true.

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heather
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posted 10-13-2003 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heather     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow...so according to adreamer smoking while pregnant = healthy baby and not smoking while pregnant = baby with health problems. Interesting since my mother never smoked while pregnant and we were all very healthy, happy babies.

Adreamer said "It doesn't take a person with a colege education to figure all of this out but yet some people seem to be a bit slower then others at catching on." ---- it also doesn't take a person with a college education to figure out that smoking DOES cause health problems for babies of smokers, smokers themselves, and people around smokers.

So, adreamer, "I am done now for the non smokers who complain are just covering up for something they are doing wrong with their own bodies."....since I hate being around smokers what is it that I am trying to cover up? I dont' do drugs, I am not a big drinker, I eat healthy foods and I exercise; yet, according to you I MUST be complaining about being around smoke (which, btw, causes me to have nosebleeds as well as problems breathing)to cover something up.

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giamaria
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posted 10-13-2003 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for giamaria   Click Here to Email giamaria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What happens if I drink lots of sodies and smoke? Does one negate the other and then the baby will be fine? I'm so confused. They never talked about this in colege.

Maybe it's time for the Silent Treatment? I beleive that has worked well in the past with these types of situations.

[This message has been edited by giamaria (edited 10-13-2003).]

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Lis
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posted 10-13-2003 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heather, being around smoking gives you nosebleeds?

I just found that interesting b/c I get them in the winter when I have a cold and my Dad smoked around me my whole life. The first one of the year arrived at my bf's apt., and he's a smoker too.

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heather
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posted 10-13-2003 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heather     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lis:
Heather, being around smoking gives you nosebleeds?

I just found that interesting b/c I get them in the winter when I have a cold and my Dad smoked around me my whole life. The first one of the year arrived at my bf's apt., and he's a smoker too.


When I'm in a smoker's home for a long period of time (especially if spending the night), I always get a nosebleed. It's a combination of the smoke and the dryness in the air that tends to be a norm in smokers homes.

My dad smokes so my parent's house is dry and smoke lingers in the air. The funny thing is that it never happened when I lived there but now that I live in a smoke-free home, every time I go home I get a nosebleed. So, yeah, I complain about the smoke.

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bekkaboo
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posted 12-23-2003 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bekkaboo   Click Here to Email bekkaboo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumping cause I was just thinking about this guy's pickup that I saw the other day....DE enacted a ban on smoking in public places a while back and a lot of people are all up-in-arms about it - lots of bumper stickers about how the governor needs to be banned, etc. etc. So the other day I saw a pickup that had painted across the back window something to the effect of "what will they take away next, beer and sex?" Ummmmm.......if you're drinking a beer next to me, am I also drinking a beer? I think not. And last time I checked, buddy, the state was not too keen on you having sex in public places either.

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jstrizzy
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posted 12-23-2003 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jstrizzy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nor drinking either. you can't walk down the street drinking a beer in most places.

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teakfreak
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posted 12-23-2003 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teakfreak   Click Here to Email teakfreak     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've now lived in two Canadian cities where smoking is illegal inside all public buildings. Victoria went non-smoking years ago and Vancouver followed two years ago (I think?). Honestly, no one even bitches anymore. It's life.

But, for the record:

How long have you been smoking? Off and on from age 14 to 16. Regularly from 17 to 21 and a short two-month stint at 26.

Have you ever considered quitting? Several times.

Have you ever tried to quit? Successfully for 5 years. Started again last year for two months after a bad break-up. Drank and smoked my face off for a solid 8 weeks. Then realized what an idiot I was being.

Do you choose to continue to smoke or is the addiction too strong to quit? The addiction is strong, but my will to LIVE is much stronger.

*edited for spelling

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Princessjeanne
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posted 12-23-2003 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessjeanne   Click Here to Email Princessjeanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, my answers are really different this time around. And man, I had forgotten how wild this thread got.

How long have you been smoking? I smoked from when I was 16 to 20, and again from 22 to 24. I've been smoke-free now for about two months - since the night of the ungodly boring rain-delayed game in the world series this year.

Have you ever considered quitting? I used to think about it constantly, but didn't for a long time. Or I would quit for a few days and then start up again.

Have you ever tried to quit? See above. I'm still not sure why it stuck this time; I am guess having a very supportive boyfriend and moving out of an apartment with a smoker helped.

Do you choose to continue to smoke or is the addiction too strong to quit? The addiction was awful, but I think the association was worse. I never had any symptoms of physical withdrawal; the only actual pain I was going through was psychological. Talking myself out of "needing" a cigarette when i got home from work or when I was at the bar was difficult, but it worked. I do not envy anyone the process of quitting smoking - it was awful. But I feel so much better not smoking - I was out of breath all the time, coughing all the time, feeling like my lungs were full of cement all the time...

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breana
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posted 12-23-2003 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for breana   Click Here to Email breana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hated smoking while I was a smoker. That's why I knew it was an actual addiction, rather than a choice, because if I could have easily chosen to not smoke, I would have. I hated the smell, the taste, the way I looked while doing it, everything. Bah. I hated it.
I finally quit for good in August of 2002, after six solid years of smoking and hating myself for it. But when I see people smoking on tv, I get all crazy, craving cigarettes. It's awful.

Edited to add that while re-reading this thread, I asked my father what "incendiary" meant. He didn't know, and neither did my mother or brother. I had to climb two flights of stairs and move lots of heavy boxes in order to find a dictionary. Leave it to the Digsters to force me to exercise during the holidays.

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bekkaboo
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posted 12-24-2003 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bekkaboo   Click Here to Email bekkaboo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I smoked for 7 years and I feel the same way, I hated it even while I was smoking. I never argued if people complained about my smoking, I'd put it straight out if anyone asked...if it was bothering someone, I always accepted that I was in the wrong. I HATE smokers that complain about having to go outside, or say "if you don't like it move" etc. etc. I still hate cigarettes, and I still have mad desire to smoke one every once in a while. Which makes me hate them even more, because they have that much of a hold on me.

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chitowngal
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posted 12-24-2003 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chitowngal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As someone who has recently quit (cuz o' super bean, but hey one more reason to love the heck out of him/her when he gets here) and even though I haven't perfected it and sometimes slip I must say I hate being around people who smoke, it makes me want to pull my hair out and crawl under the covers to protect my sense. I also hate those quit smoking commercials. Instead of making me want to quit, they really make me want to light up, even when they're talking about all the evils of smoking, it puts the idea of having a cigarette in my head. Its kinda funny because every person I've spoken to that is trying to quit or has quit, has the same reaction to those commercials, strangely counterproductive on the part of the companies making them....

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Henna73
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posted 12-24-2003 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henna73   Click Here to Email Henna73     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I did quit for 8 months this year, but started again in September. I am planning on quitting again after the new year.

I always preferred to smoke outside. I never could handle smoky bars or parties. I once had a woman ask me (while outside) to move so wouldn't have to smell the smoke. I did it with out complaint. I sometimes feel the same way about people and their perfume, aftershave, hairspray, etc.

Come January 2004, I will get on the wagon again. I felt better!

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bekkaboo
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posted 12-24-2003 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bekkaboo   Click Here to Email bekkaboo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by chitowngal:
I also hate those quit smoking commercials. Instead of making me want to quit, they really make me want to light up, even when they're talking about all the evils of smoking, it puts the idea of having a cigarette in my head. Its kinda funny because every person I've spoken to that is trying to quit or has quit, has the same reaction to those commercials, strangely counterproductive on the part of the companies making them....


...I've heard that Phillip Morris makes them, is that true? If so, maybe that's the desired effect. I like the "truth" commercials, they're one of the few anti-smoking PSAs that I thought were well done - but if PM is indeed making them and then turning around and selling 100 billion Marlboros a day, what does that tell you????

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briezee
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posted 12-24-2003 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for briezee   Click Here to Email briezee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by breana:
Edited to add that while re-reading this thread, I asked my father what "incendiary" meant. He didn't know, and neither did my mother or brother. I had to climb two flights of stairs and move lots of heavy boxes in order to find a dictionary. Leave it to the Digsters to force me to exercise during the holidays.

[This message has been edited by breana (edited 12-23-2003).]


You know, I think I would have taken the much less route and just gone to dictionary.com or m-w.com.

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Henna73
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posted 12-24-2003 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henna73   Click Here to Email Henna73     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I did quit for 8 months this year, but started again in September. I am planning on quitting again after the new year.

I always preferred to smoke outside. I never could handle smoky bars or parties. I once had a woman ask me (while outside) to move so wouldn't have to smell the smoke. I did it with out complaint. I sometimes feel the same way about people and their perfume, aftershave, hairspray, etc.

Come January 2004, I will get on the wagon again. I felt better!

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fluffygurl
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posted 12-24-2003 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fluffygurl   Click Here to Email fluffygurl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hee come January smoking in pubs is banned in Ireland. I am so looking foward to going for a drink without my eyes going bloodshot after an hour. I am also looking foward to seeing how people cope with this. Will there be a herd of people outside puffing away in gale force wind or will this be an incentive for some people to quit?

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Princessjeanne
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posted 12-24-2003 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessjeanne   Click Here to Email Princessjeanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder about that too, fluff. When I was in California this fall I was still smoking, but I definitely smoked less that I would have here, where you can smoke indoors/at bars/etc. It's so much easier to smoke a whole pack in a night when you don't have to get up, mess up conversations with everyone, miss the waitress, etc. because you're outside.

I do wonder about the cold weather being a factor there- the only place I've been as a smoker with a smoking ban is California. I know New York did it, and Boston and Chicago have been considering the ban also - do you guys think the cold will influence people in those places? I for one cannot imagine standing in the freezing, windy city air very often through the course of an evening just to get a cigarette. Winter in NY always seems so much colder than it really is too... that would be awful.

Anyone have any input from the cold-weather ban cities?

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greschya
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posted 12-24-2003 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for greschya   Click Here to Email greschya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maine is going smoke free in bars on January 1, hallelujah! We've been smoke free in restaurants for 3 or 4 years now.

Personally, I'm stoked -- my smoker friends and I have compromised since I quit -- in winter and bad weather, we can go to this one bar that lets them smoke and drink coffee, in summer and good weather, we get to go to a smoke free place. But, after January 1, it won't matter anymore! I'll win ALL the TIME!!!

A lot of places are looking to build smokers decks and patios, but still, a smoke in a snowstorm or 20 below weather, that SUCKS. I'm hoping it will be the impetus for some of my friends to cut back or quit completely. Sigh.

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breana
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posted 12-25-2003 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for breana   Click Here to Email breana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by briezee:
You know, I think I would have taken the much less route and just gone to dictionary.com or m-w.com.


Gawd DAMMIT! Why didn't I think of that???

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Merimoo
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posted 01-02-2004 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merimoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boston banned it in May or June, and I heard somewhere (tv, newspaper?) that it hasn't affected bar business that much.

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ralphyr
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posted 02-19-2004 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ralphyr   Click Here to Email ralphyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Should Arnie be allowed to creat a smoking plaza in what is essentially a public building (the State Capitol).

"Smoking was banned in all restaurants in California in 1995 and the ban was extended to bars three years later. At the end of last year the prohibition was extended to anywhere 20 feet from a public building's entrance"

One rule for the rulers and another for the plebs. It stinks worse than a havana.

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yam
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posted 02-20-2004 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
phooey, fool arnold schwarzenegger. when he was filming sixth day in my town one scene was on the roof of the big canada post building, which is very strictly no smoking. so in the elevator he has his gross cigar lit up and blew smoke in the face of a postal employee who complained about it. nice guy!

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