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fluffygurl
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posted 01-14-2004 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fluffygurl   Click Here to Email fluffygurl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive been given a bottle of capers. Now the only recipe I know for capers is to mix em with cream cheese and serve with toasted bagels and crispy bacon any other idears?

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PrincessPushPin
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posted 01-14-2004 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PrincessPushPin   Click Here to Email PrincessPushPin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fluffygurl:
Ive been given a bottle of capers. Now the only recipe I know for capers is to mix em with cream cheese and serve with toasted bagels and crispy bacon any other idears?

I use them on bagel, lox & cream cheese sandwiches and in the sauce for lemon chicken.

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Nieci
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posted 01-14-2004 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nieci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fluffygurl:
Ive been given a bottle of capers. Now the only recipe I know for capers is to mix em with cream cheese and serve with toasted bagels and crispy bacon any other idears?

yum. Love capers. In hot pasta, pasta salads, lemon chicken as mentioned above or chicken/veal piccata, potato salads, with fish, etc.

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Princessjeanne
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posted 01-14-2004 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessjeanne   Click Here to Email Princessjeanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God, I love capers. Salty briny goodness.

My old roommate and I used them a lot in pasta. Red sauce with capers & kalamata olives was a favorite, otherwise just olive oil, sundried tomatoes, capers, and chicken strips or some flaked salmon. Or make piccatta.

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Drea D
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posted 01-14-2004 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drea D   Click Here to Email Drea D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"NEVER defrost chicken and re-freeze."
"NEVER defrost italian sausage and re-freeze."

I read this all the time.
Hypothetically, (whistling innocently) what's the worst that could happen if I do? And I noticed sometimes meat packages are marked "previously frozen"...okay, they're not frozen now but I don't need'em till next week. I HAVE to re-freeze them. What's so bad about it? I can live with loss of texture.

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FunPun
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posted 01-14-2004 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FunPun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Drea D:
"NEVER defrost chicken and re-freeze."
"NEVER defrost italian sausage and re-freeze."

What's so bad about it? I can live with loss of texture.


I think it has less to do with texture and more to do with bacteria growth. But I'm by no means an expert, so... anyone else know about this stuff?

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Henna73
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posted 01-14-2004 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henna73   Click Here to Email Henna73     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ack pooey! I do this frequently when our dinner plans change. My main concern is that the meat has constantly be cold (either in fridge or freezer). Other than that, I think it's ok. I have never had a problem with texture, taste, spoilage, etc. But hey, I'm no professional. Besides, with all the raw eggs I have consumed in raw cookie dough, I should be dead by now, but I'm not!

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Drea D
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posted 01-14-2004 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drea D   Click Here to Email Drea D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Henna, that's what I think, too. As long as it's always kept at at least the proper temperature, where's the problem?

I'm just really curious because in the back of my head, I knew you aren't supposed to defrost/refreeze, and lately, all these scary orders to *NEVER* do it are catching my attention in my cookbooks. But they never say what will happen if you do. I can't just quietly obey an order. I need to know WHY!

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Palmetto
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posted 01-14-2004 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Palmetto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So everytime I've tried making chicken salad with a can of chicken, it's not good like it is in restaurants (or at my grandma's.) And no, I'm not using "chicken of the sea."
So i'm wondering, if I buy a rotissere (spelling apologies) chicken at the grocery, can I make chicken salad out of that? Any tips?

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Annabella
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posted 01-14-2004 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Annabella   Click Here to Email Annabella     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as i know the only restriction on chicken salad is that it must be chicken; rotisserie, specially poached breasts, or the leftovers from tuesday's roast all make perfectly good chicken salad. so go out and be bold, try different chickens and find what you like best.

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janest
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posted 01-14-2004 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for janest   Click Here to Email janest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never checked in to say that I gave my food gifts refrigerated (heeding the wise advice of all) and told everyone to freeze if they like, but everyone ended up eating it all up right away anyhow. It went over very well. I even got a thank-you note detailing the eating. Good time.

Anyway! Today I had a new cooking dilemma that I couldn't figure out on my own. Well, I did, but not to stellar effect. I was making my famous carrot ginger chicken soup and was accidentally bit too liberal with the crushed red pepper flakes, to the tune of burning in the back of the throat (good thing I pretaste throughout). I didn't know what to do other than water it down like mad and add some more of the non-red pepper flavor, but the soup was still a bit too hot and otherwise lost its punch.

Is there a magic de-spicer I don't know about? I once had this same problem when my takeout place decided to throw an entire shaker of pepper flakes onto my pad Thai. That time I washed the noodles off (no, really) but you can't wash soup. Or can you?

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ralphyr
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posted 01-15-2004 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ralphyr   Click Here to Email ralphyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Janest, they say potatoes, soak up the chili flavour, so pop some diced ones in.
Yoghurt will cool your mouth so serve that up as well. Sounds like a really nice soup. Do you serve that hot or cold?

About the freeze don't refreeze, I always thought it was the DONT refreeze but if it is defrosted in the fridge then you can refreeze (apparently) but I wouldn't mess with chicken!

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Nieci
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posted 01-15-2004 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nieci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't mess with refreezing chicken either. Bacteria is scary!

As far as chicken salad goes, I've never used canned chicken before. Rotisserie should be fine, as any leftover chicken that hasn't been sauced.

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Princessjeanne
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posted 01-15-2004 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Princessjeanne   Click Here to Email Princessjeanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've found if you rinse off canned chicken instead of just draining/using, it tastes less um, can-like. That stuff has saved me from certain starvation several times.

This may be hypothetical, but if anyone has a possible answer, I'd love to hear it. Why can I make a five course meal for 8 people without terrible stress/disaster, but I ruined jello (from a BOX) yesterday? What is wrong with me?

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pollyhyper
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posted 01-15-2004 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pollyhyper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Princessjeanne:
This may be hypothetical, but if anyone has a possible answer, I'd love to hear it. Why can I make a five course meal for 8 people without terrible stress/disaster, but I ruined jello (from a BOX) yesterday? What is wrong with me?


I consider myself a pretty good cook, but the two things I always screw up are rice and jello, especially when I try to double the jello recipe. Weird.

On the chicken tangent, canned chicken is to chicken what canned tuna is to a real tuna steak....not even close. Not bad, but your chix salad is not going to taste like it would from a restaurant; it'll taste more like tuna salad without the fishiness.
As a few already said, you can use any cooked (ex. leftover) chicken. Or you can just boil a few chicken breaasts. It's better if you chop the chicken and mix the salad once the chicken is cold--it'll hold together better and you won't heat up the mayo.
Sometimes I also put grape quarters and/or walnuts in my chicken salad. Everyone thinks that's weird til they taste it and love it.

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minxx
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posted 01-15-2004 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for minxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I make chicken salad, I just chop up a chicken breast, saute and use that in the salad. Always tastes yummy!

About thawing and refreezing chicken, I'd rather put the chicken back in the freezer because I think it would slow down the bacterial growth more than in the frig.

Edited to say that I also like grapes and nuts in my chicken salad! Artichokes are also yummy!

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Nieci
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posted 01-15-2004 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nieci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mmm my favorite way to serve chicken salad is mixed with dijon, served on a pineapple 'boat' with toasted slivered almonds, sprinkled with toasted coconut, with a side of strawberries.

this thread always makes me hungry.

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LazyGoddess
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posted 01-15-2004 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LazyGoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Henna73:
Besides, with all the raw eggs I have consumed in raw cookie dough, I should be dead by now, but I'm not!

Word. I think most of us should be dead by now from that one.

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janest
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posted 01-15-2004 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for janest   Click Here to Email janest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re: bacteria growth. I try to be careful about it but I recently realized my parents are horrible, leaving things out on the counter to defrost, refrigerating leftovers *the next morning*, etc. Honestly, it's a wonder we're all still kicking. A couple of weeks back I froze, defrosted in the fridge and then refroze fish. When I defrosted it again, it was rancid (at least with fish the stink will give it away). We got take out that night instead.

Potatoes are a good hint for de-hotting, thanks! In the past I have had noodles in the soup, so maybe the lack of them made the hotness even hotter? I serve my carrot ginger chicken soup (liberally modified from a recipe from the magazine Self) hot. It's pretty good stuff and, even when not overspiced, wonderfully sinus-clearing in a pho kind of way.

My nan put apples in her chicken salad. It was very delicious. She made her own mayo, too, which may explain why I could eat it. I hate mayo. I wonder how her recipe differed from the jar stuff.

I can't make rice and I only recently mastered Jello. I'd blamed the Jello failings on my not-terribly-cold refrigerator (it's on the low end of acceptable). The rice? My impatience, I presume.

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Drea D
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posted 01-15-2004 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drea D   Click Here to Email Drea D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nieci:
I wouldn't mess with refreezing chicken either. Bacteria is scary!

I know what you're saying but (shrugs) I've never heard a good enough explanation/scary urban legend that would convince me to to never defrost and refreeze.
In fact, I've never heard of anything bad happening to anyone from doing it, just ordered not to do it. I could be just missing something important, though.

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ralphyr
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posted 01-15-2004 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ralphyr   Click Here to Email ralphyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Drea D:
I know what you're saying but (shrugs) I've never heard a good enough explanation/scary urban legend that would convince me to to never defrost and refreeze.
In fact, I've never heard of anything bad happening to anyone from doing it, just ordered not to do it. I could be just missing something important, though.


Drea, hopefully you are missing out on listeria

So the USDA says that it is safe to refreeze as long as food is handled correctly.
I still wouldn't mess with chicken or fish.

I got food poisoning once from a burger bar (that I was working at, so I had cooked the food!). How they treated food haunts me to this day (semi-fried battered fish dripping onto uncovered cheese cake *shudder*
They used to recycle the burgers the next morning (scraping off the cheese and re-frying).

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yam
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posted 01-15-2004 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>I only recently mastered Jello.

I actually burned jell-o once. I haven't been brave enough to try making it since and rely on the hospital cafeteria for my jello needs.

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ng-la
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posted 01-16-2004 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ng-la   Click Here to Email ng-la     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Janest, would you be willing to share that Ccaroot ginger chicken soup recipe? It sounds realllllllly good. Pretty please?

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Drea D
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posted 01-16-2004 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drea D   Click Here to Email Drea D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ralphyr,

Thanks for the links! I understand a lot more now and I'll definitely be more careful.

On a sort of related note, I once ate 2 cold, delicious smoked turkey drumsticks, wondered briefly why they were chewier than I'd remembered, and as I was throwing the plastic package away, this message caught my eye:
Product is not fully cooked. Always heat to [recommended temperature]before consuming.

Good thing I've always had the stomach of a billy goat.

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Epicurus
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posted 01-17-2004 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Epicurus   Click Here to Email Epicurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fluffygurl:
Ive been given a bottle of capers. Now the only recipe I know for capers is to mix em with cream cheese and serve with toasted bagels and crispy bacon any other idears?

You could make caponata. It's an Italian eggplant thing with tomatos, olives, and capers. I made it as part of the antipasto for Christmas Eve. I'll try to dig up the recipe I used, it was a good one.

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Chele75
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posted 01-17-2004 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chele75   Click Here to Email Chele75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok...tomorrow I'm planning on using my crockpot for the first time. I'm planning on making a "Hearty Beef Stew". The recipie mostly makes sense to me except when it says "1 whole clove". Do you think they mean 1 whole clove of well...cloves, or 1 whole clove of garlic?! I guess they would have said garlic right? (I feel like a moron.) And I guess another related question.....if I only have dried cloves, and that's indeed what it means I should use....how much would equal one whole clove of cloves?

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Susie Liz
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posted 01-17-2004 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Susie Liz   Click Here to Email Susie Liz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not presume to be a great cook but I have made beef stew many times and used several different recipes. Almost all had garlic - none had cloves. (Made a new stew on Wed. this week and it has orange peel in it and that goes with cloves as an air freshener... ok back on track now.) Unless the rest of the ingredients seem to lean toward mixing well with cloves I would say that they mean garlic and someone made a typo. or copying error. Good luck - hope it turns out.

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jazzberry
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posted 01-17-2004 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jazzberry   Click Here to Email jazzberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chele75:
Ok...tomorrow I'm planning on using my crockpot for the first time. I'm planning on making a "Hearty Beef Stew". The recipie mostly makes sense to me except when it says "1 whole clove". Do you think they mean 1 whole clove of well...cloves, or 1 whole clove of garlic?! I guess they would have said garlic right? (I feel like a moron.) And I guess another related question.....if I only have dried cloves, and that's indeed what it means I should use....how much would equal one whole clove of cloves?

ahhh! your post broke my brain.

usually, a whole bulb of garlic is referred to as a head of garlic. A clove is just...well, a clove. It wouldn't hurt to use an entire head of garlic, though...mmmm...especially since when you slow cook garlic, it takes on a mild, sweet flavour.

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ralphyr
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posted 01-17-2004 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ralphyr   Click Here to Email ralphyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"1 whole clove"

I'm thinking that they mean a clove of garlic, Can't imagine dividing up a clove, unless it is powdered.

I didn't know that a whole garlic was a head.

Drea, I truly believe that is you are exposed to 'dodgy' food at a young age (my Mum is a bit lax on food hygiene, but has never killed anyone) you get some immunity to bacteria but don't really want to test it out.

Did you know that chewing on a clove can ease a toothache?

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Chele75
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posted 01-17-2004 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chele75   Click Here to Email Chele75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jazzberry:
ahhh! your post broke my brain.


LOL Believe me, I was just as confused when I was writing it. :S

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yam
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posted 01-17-2004 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm guessing they mean a clove of.. well a clove, and just said "1 whole" to distinguish from powdered or wot. If I had to substitute powdered for whole, I'd put in just a pinch.

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Andree
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posted 01-18-2004 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andree   Click Here to Email Andree     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with yam. Whenever I see "1 whole clove" I take it to mean one clove, and not powdered cloves. A pinch of powdered will replace it just fine. Cloves and beef do go really well together... I'm sure it won't hurt to add some garlic too.

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Epicurus
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posted 01-19-2004 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Epicurus   Click Here to Email Epicurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with Yam and Andree. I think they probably meant one whole clove.period.

What else is in the recipe? It would give us a context clue to see the other stuff they're using.

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minxx
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posted 01-20-2004 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for minxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few weeks ago I made "creamy" broccoli soup that was topped with cheese. I followed the recipe but I couldn't get the soup to thicken. I even added more flour/butter mixture to thicken it but it was so not thick. Other than the soup being watery, it was really yummy and want to make it again. Any clues on how to make it thicken?

Edited because it's early and my brain doesn't work before 10am.

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pollyhyper
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posted 01-20-2004 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pollyhyper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by minxx:
A few weeks ago I made "creamy" broccoli soup that was topped with cheese. I followed the recipe but I couldn't get the soup to thicken. I even added more flour/butter mixture to thicken it but it was so not thick. Other than the soup being watery, it was really yummy and want to make it again. Any clues on how to make it thicken?

Edited because it's early and my brain doesn't work before 10am.



Other than adding more flour or cornstarch, the only thing I can think of is to slowly let it cook down without a lid on it. Or, if you're gonna make it again, use less water (or whatever liquid is in it).

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meggo
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posted 01-20-2004 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meggo   Click Here to Email meggo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah - I'd try cornstarch too. But the trick with cornstarch is it doesn't dissolve in hot stuff. So you take a small bit of water, toss in some cornstarch, mix well, put in the pot.

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Henna73
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posted 01-20-2004 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henna73   Click Here to Email Henna73     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you have an immersion blender, stick it in the pot (be careful!) and puree some of the soup. It's the fastest and easiest way to thinken soup without extra calories!

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pollyhyper
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posted 01-20-2004 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pollyhyper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by meggo:
Yeah - I'd try cornstarch too. But the trick with cornstarch is it doesn't dissolve in hot stuff. So you take a small bit of water, toss in some cornstarch, mix well, put in the pot.

Oh yeah. Actually that is how I always do it. With flour too, I put either some hot water or some of soup into a mug and mix flour in, then pour into pot. No lumps that way.
But I never noticed about cornstarch not mixing with hot. Hmmmm... I'm not too perceptive.

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crowjoy
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posted 01-20-2004 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crowjoy   Click Here to Email crowjoy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do y'all think sage and lamb go together?

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LazyGoddess
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posted 01-20-2004 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LazyGoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always thought that doing a sage rub on lamb was almost a given sort of thing, but then again I've never had lamb so I could just be hallucinating.

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