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yeefan
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posted 05-08-2000 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeefan   Click Here to Email yeefan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, my boyfriend and I are thinking of buying a house. It's sort of exciting, and very scary, and also, we can't quite decide whether it makes sense for us or not, given that we'll only be staying here in AZ for another 3 years or so, after which we'd have to sell the house.

Anyone else made the big transition from renting to owning?

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Tami
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posted 05-11-2000 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tami   Click Here to Email Tami     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Owning is way smarter than renting...even if for only 3 years...that is three years worth of money that you aren't just throwing away to a rental. You can buy a home for probably around the same price a month as you are paying in rent. You will be gaining equity, though. Generally new homes in most areas tend to go up in value pretty quickly, so when you go to sell you will have made a little more dough. If you are looking into buying an older home (personally I think it is a bad idea for a starter home), you can find them in all ranges of prices, too. When you own a home you get a huge tax break, too. You can write off your payments! When you own a home, you generally have more freedom to do what you want to it. You have some land, too. Well, hope you found my insight helpful. Let us know what you decide to do.

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Paula57
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posted 05-21-2000 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paula57   Click Here to Email Paula57     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You really have to crunch the numbers to figure out if it's to your advantage to buy vs. rent. Keep in mind that the standard deduction for a single person is $4300; for 2 single people - $8600. So the first $715 per month of your mortgage payment does not provide a tax benefit.

You also have to look at how the property values are changing in the area that you want to buy in. We have areas here in Houston that are going up 10% or more a year. We have others that are totally flat or even going down a bit.

Closing costs when you buy will be at least 2% of the purchase price - plus your down payment. Closing costs when you sell will be at least 7% of the selling price. If things turn around to a buyers market, they could be higher.

People generally buy more than they were renting. You'll spend more on decorating, landscaping, maintainance, etc. That's all reasonable, but those dollars are real.

Since you know that you will be moving in 3 years or so, why not live frugally, invest your savings and put your money into the house you want to stay in - in 3 years.

Just my $.02,

Paula (the single former home owner)

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yeefan
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posted 05-22-2000 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeefan   Click Here to Email yeefan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the advice Tami and Paula! We actually just found a house that we both love and is the perfect (low) price ... so it looks like I'll be making the big leap. We're both very excited about it -- the house is in one of the most desirable neighborhoods in Tucson, has a gorgeous (vaulted ceilings, tons of cabinets and counter space, recently renovated) and enormous kitchen, a good-sized living room, and a two-car garage (yay! storage space). The two bedrooms are small, but overall, this house is just wonderful.

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Tami
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posted 05-24-2000 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tami   Click Here to Email Tami     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay, Yeefan! Congrats on the big news. How exciting! Enjoy your new home and space!

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Tami
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posted 06-01-2000 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tami   Click Here to Email Tami     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny thing...turns out we may be moving to Arizona ourselves, probably around the Peoria/Pheonix area. It won't be for about a year, though. It is a useless factoid to y'all, but it just reminded me of you, yeefan! Hope you are enjoying your vacation!

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yeefan
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posted 06-09-2000 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeefan   Click Here to Email yeefan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey tami--
neat. i must confess i haven't spent any time at all up in in the phoenix area ... it's just far enough away to make it seem too far to bother, although by all accounts it is quite a bustling city.

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Tami
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posted 06-09-2000 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tami   Click Here to Email Tami     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems like it. I will not be inside of Pheonix...more in the suburbs, maybe towards Scottsdale or something. We'll see!

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SLourdes
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posted 02-09-2002 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SLourdes   Click Here to Email SLourdes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumping this topic because it's weighing heavily on my mind.

Ok, here's the situation. Back in September my boyfriend and I decided to move in together this coming summer. I was all blissfully happy and excited about sharing a space with him for the first time. A few weeks ago we looked at an apartment together. The next day, he comes to me saying he wants to buy a townhouse or condo instead of renting.

He had talked to his parents, and they said that they would help us buy a townhouse, and their neighbor just happened to be selling one. I asked him to find out more information (for example, what does "help" mean). The next time he sees them, he gets more info, and now I'm really upset and totally questioning this whole idea.

His parents said they would loan him money for the downpayment, but not me. So basically he would own more of the house, because I'll be right out of college and can't contribute much to a downpayment. I'd either own little to none of the place legally, or I'd have to pay all of the mortgage payment to own some of it. Neither is attractive to me at all, and I am really hurt that his parents and he would even suggest such a thing. What do I get out of the deal?

So basically, I'm thinking we don't buy until we're at least engaged. I would be more comfortable with this situation if I wasn't worried about getting screwed in the deal if we broke up. (Not that we would, we've been together for four years).

Is it unreasonable for me to say either we own 50/50 or you put a ring on my finger? And, just for my own knowledge, how do downpayments work? Are they based on what you can pay, or is there a minimum percentage that you have to have?

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yam
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posted 02-09-2002 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>Is it unreasonable for me to say either we own 50/50 or you put a ring on my finger?

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Or even "we own 50/50, or we don't do it at all, because that makes me really uncomfortable."

If you buy a condo together, have a written agreement about what you'll do if for some reason you break up or one of you wants to leave. Because people can suddenly develop really uncharacteristic attitudes when that happens.

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yam
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posted 02-09-2002 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
downpayments are something you negotiate with the lender; they usually have a minimum. you want to pay down as much as you can, because that means you end up paying less total. also, a higher downpayment means there are less stringent income/credit checks against you for qualifying for the mortgage. also, with small downpayments, the lender will often require you to buy insurance against default, which is an additional expense.

where I live, the absolute minimum downpayment for a house is usually 5%.

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ginsu classic
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posted 02-09-2002 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ginsu classic   Click Here to Email ginsu classic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you can put 20% down, great...but usually they require a minimum of 10%. Like Yam said, there are some special loans that have a lower downpayment (lowest I've heard of is 5%)...but usually you have to meet special criteria to get it (e.g. veteran).

Also, keep in mind that downpayment is in addition to closing costs and home owners insurance etc. (which can get wrapped into the mortgage amount). Make sure that if you guys seriously consider it that you get the quote from a lender that tells you what your total monthly payment will be (not just the loan portion of it)...remember that utilities will be on top of that too!

What price range are you/bf thinking about? If half of the 10% downpayment is within what you can afford, then you might be able to swing it.

But definitely don't feel pressured to buy! It's a big pain in the butt, and if you're feeling stressed out before you even start looking at houses...then it may not be the best idea to do just yet.

btw, is this townhouse next door to your bf's parents?! maybe it would work for some, but that sounds odd to me!

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kena
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posted 02-10-2002 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kena   Click Here to Email kena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever you do, have all conditions written in a legal contract, ring on your finger or not. You will both be more confortable with the idea of owning part of a house if things are clear.

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luckieracergirl
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posted 02-10-2002 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for luckieracergirl   Click Here to Email luckieracergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
living next door to your parents in law sounds like an ulcer in the making. I don't really think i'd be able to handle it myself. It could turn out to be a very scary experience. If you get along well with your in laws, thats great and it might turn out wonderfully for you.
I'm thinking the way you're thinking though on the condo. If you look at it from the relationship standpoint, everything is 50/50 in a relationship, and getting a place together is part of it.
You really should sit down and have a calm talk with your love. You need to tell him how you feel, and work together to find a way that both of you will be comfortable and happy.
I hope everything goes fabulously for you. Best wishes!

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red
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posted 02-10-2002 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for red   Click Here to Email red     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly have no idea how it work in the US...but in Australia you start to have rights to property and belongings just simply by living together for an extended period of time....for example you start to have rights to shared property and general stuff after living together for 7 months...and you basically have the same rights as a married couple after a little bit longer than that...so how much each person paid for something like a house isnt as important because youre treated like a couple and together you've worked towards the house...even if one person provided more money in the beginning.....maybe you should see what sort of rights you'd have as a defacto....it might make you feel better about it all.

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atw26
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posted 02-10-2002 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for atw26   Click Here to Email atw26     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess what I got out of the post was that you don't understand how he & his parents could suggest such a plan and you are hurt that they didn't consider how the plan would affect you. Obviously, his parents proposed plan benefits him - they're his parents and they are going to look out for *his* "best interests" whatever they consider them to be. They may have thought that you wouldn't mind because if you rented a place together instead, you *still* wouldn't be owning anything and this way they figure he's able to own something. Is that a possiblity? I don't know how their dynamic is with you.

I'm not sure it's best to push for 50/50 ownership of the place either. Would you be able to pay the mortgage if he were unable to make his portion? You would certainly be liable for the mortgage in that case (just as you'd be liable for the month's rent if you were renting but at least renting isn't a 30-year commitment and it's much easier to get out of a lease than it is to sell a place). I certainly agree with ginsu that it may not be the "right" time to buy. I can't imagine buying a place right out of college especially if I had any student loans but then, I'm the extra cautious type.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a place (i.e. have both names on the title and the mortgage) with someone who I am not married to - much too much of a potential mess. I knew someone at work who did - they broke up and it was a huge hassle getting the house squared away: she wanted to keep it, he wanted to sell. The second time he bought the house on his own.

I do find it interesting that you'd be living next door to his parents. Would they still be willing to do the downpayment regardless of the location of the place?

red, 7 months?!? Wow. In the States, it varies from state to state. Here in Texas, after 7 years of living together (I think), the couple is considered married under common law. They are also considered married if they hold themselves out to be married at any time i.e. if they lead someone else to believe that they are married, regardless of how long they have been together. Texas is also a joint property state so assets are divided equally between the two people in the case of divorce which means that it does become very important to hold out as separate assets that you wouldn't want to go to the other person.

--Vips.

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SLourdes
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posted 02-10-2002 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SLourdes   Click Here to Email SLourdes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hee... just to clear things up, this place is not next door to his parents. That would be too weird. It's actually his neighbor's son, who lives in another suburb, that is selling his townhouse.

After some long talks, and careful consideration of the advice given here, we've decided to wait. I really don't want to get involved in all this messy mortgage stuff, and don't have the money for a 20%, or even 10% downpayment (plus all those added fees, like closing costs). With graduating at the end of this semester and making the plunge to living together, I think we have enough changes going on.

And, yes atw- I'm sure his parents were just thinking of what might benefit him and not necessarily hurt me, but the whole thing just sounds sketchy. I've always had a very good repoire with them, and was a little surprised by their offer. Then again, his dad works for a bank, so maybe I shouldn't be. I just thought it didn't legitimize us as a unit, as a couple, and my feelings were hurt by it. That's why we decided to wait until getting engaged (probably in a year or so) and then start looking to buy a house. That will give us some time to see if living together works out, I can pay off my credit cards and we can get started on our student loans, and try and save some money.

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